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Thomas Orca Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension 44	Posted - 2012.04.02 19:31:00 - [1] - Quote Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote: Well. I do not like people telling other people to go kill themselves at parties, at a gym, in a bus, on IRC, on Google+, on the streets. Does that mean I take parties, gyms, buses, IRC, G+ and streets "too seriously"? Why would a videogame environment be any different than any of the other places? It is, after all, just like you like to say, "just a game". It is just a thing I do in my life, for my pastime. Why would I not want the same standards of behavior from random strangers in it that I want in other pastimes? Let me counter this: what makes this game so serious for you that you think it should be the exception to normal standards of behavior between adults? If it is "just a game", should we all not behave like we were, well, just playing a game, instead of making serious business about offending as many people as possible? Because EVE is a culture. EVE has its own vernacular, its own behaviors, and even its own music. What other people see as terrible griefing actions, like scamming, we proudly beat our chests to and claim that its amazing player-made content.' EVE even has its own Morality. It has been philosophized that morality is not a static entity, but one that changes with time, location, culture, and individuals for thousands of years, and yet people still seem stuck in the idea of "My morality is the only morality". Vulgarity is part of EVE's culture. CCP, to a degree, accepts this. The player base accepts this. Even some of the media accepts this. So here's a question for you: Why can't you?
Thomas Orca Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension 44	Posted - 2012.04.02 19:51:00 - [2] - Quote Princess Bride wrote: Darth Gustav wrote: Not to mention that the original comment in question was about actions in the context of a Role Playing Game. Prove he meant otherwise. Prove he meant it in the context of a Role Playing Game. ~Roleplayers~ never break character. Done.
Thomas Orca Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension 44	Posted - 2012.04.02 19:54:00 - [3] - Quote Rath Kelbore wrote: I'm just a dude, playing a dude, disguised as another dude. /relevant This thread is now about Tropic Thunder. I thought it was pretty bad.
Thomas Orca Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension 44	Posted - 2012.04.02 20:05:00 - [4] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: It was... ok I suppose. Anyway, While I agree that EVE and games in general in fact bring their own behavious and players can do what they chose to do, the way I see it, poeple put real money into playing this game (subscription costs) and deserve a little respect. Now if you scam someone iin game or smacktalk with them fair enough, but when they are clearly taking it hard out of game, then back off a bit. Taking the p*** out of them in public like that is immature and irresponsible and thats that. On top of this, the CSM is supposed to be made of the people that we trust to keep eve progessing. You lot (goons) may want some massively elitist enviroment where you do what you want, but all you are doing is making sure new players don't want to stick around. We need new players to keep the game growing and stop it from stagnating, so a CSM leader that alienates and harrasses new players is definitely not what I want to see. You were doing so well until the second paragraph.
Thomas Orca Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension 44	Posted - 2012.04.02 20:23:00 - [5] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Thomas Orca wrote: Lucas Kell wrote: . You were doing so well until the second paragraph. Would you like to expand on that in any way? The part where you said that Goons do nothing to help new players. The CFC, Goons and TEST especially, love new players. The CFC is pretty much the opposite of what you described. Generally the people who get scammed or blown up by "Goons and Friends" are actually people who have played the game for years. Also, Mittens did tell the epic story of how he scammed billions of ISK, at fanfest. More precisely, he gave a shout out to a Goon who sold 7 Supers that didn't exist.
Thomas Orca Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension 47	Posted - 2012.04.02 20:36:00 - [6] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: And I don't deny that the 7 supers story was epic. I'm saying that taking the p*** out of someone that clearly and without a doubt is upset in a very out of game fashion is going TOO FAR. You only like noobs, cos their easy to scam. I've met plenty of people that have played the game for the trial and said they didn't like it becasue it felt too elitist. They felt they come in, have to question everything for it beign a scam, then the second they trust anyone longer than a second get everythign taken from them, and that's just no fun. If it wasn't for the fact that I've been around for a very long time, have ~12 active characters and know what the hell I'm doing (albeit there have been times I've been caught out... cheers for the 2 bil loss Mulcahy!), I might be gone too inn their shoes. The game does have a fairly steep learning curve, which is why Goons have a wiki with guides for new players that is publicly available. Admittedly, it is a tad outdated, I believe learning skills are still on there.
Thomas Orca Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension 48	Posted - 2012.04.02 20:48:00 - [7] - Quote So ******* meta
Thomas Orca Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension 48	Posted - 2012.04.02 20:56:00 - [8] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Jita Alt666 wrote: Lucas Kell wrote: Hmmm, I've not seen them, though judging on the rest of the goon material I have seen, it probably talks about how to make some quick cash then turst some goon member to help you carry it away.. Your ignorance when claiming to operate 12 accounts and have been around for a long time is amusing. The goon wiki is the best new player reference in the game. 12 Characters, not accounts, accounts is 5. I don't have to go and read something from the goons. I wouldn't trust any information they gave me so there would be no point in reading it. :tinfoil:
Thomas Orca Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension 49	Posted - 2012.04.02 22:00:00 - [9] - Quote Shut up and pay :10bux: to Lowtax
Thomas Orca Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension 49	Posted - 2012.04.04 20:29:00 - [10] - Quote Richard Aiel wrote: Rico Minali wrote: [quote=Elsebeth Rhiannon] What I hav ebeen protesting against is the people obviously using it to try and leverage ccp into banning The Mittani simply because they hate him/gsf/cfc please read: Quote: Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote: Did you guys who want to use RP as an excuse know that CCP Rules & Policies explicitly forbid the use of RP as an excuse of acting in an offensive way, and lists doing so as bannable offense? Quote: 3. HARASSMENT An immediate permanent ban of an account may result if a player: a. Organizes or participates in a corporation or group that is based on or advocates any anti-ethnic, anti-gay, anti-religious, racist, sexist or other hate-mongering philosophies. Severe offences may result in an immediate ban without warning; however, warnings may be given for first time offenses, followed by account suspensions of varying degree and ultimately a permanent ban if a player: a. Is abusive, obscene, offensive, sexually explicit, ethnically or racially offensive, or threatening to another player or an official EVE Online representative. b. Uses role-playing as an excuse for violating the guidelines regarding fair play with others. c. Sends excessive e-mails, EVE-mails or petitions, petitions with false information or repeatedly petitions under the wrong category in an effort to circumvent the customer support queue. Source: http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/banning.asp (emphasis mine). immediate permanent ban Immediate PERMINANT ban If it was any of us guess which part of that would be true? It damn sure wouldnt be 30 days I'm not seeing the part that Mittens broke.

Thomas Orca Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension 49	Posted - 2012.04.05 00:32:00 - [11] - Quote Richard Aiel wrote: Thomas Orca wrote: I'm not seeing the part that Mittens broke. Nor would you were it pointed out but yea No, I see what rule you think he broke. I'm just subtly saying you're dumb.
Thomas Orca Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension 65	Posted - 2012.04.11 02:08:00 - [12] - Quote Sunviking wrote: Kaivar Lancer wrote: So.... is it true that Mittani sponges off his wife while she works full-time? This makes me wonder too. If he is 'retired' from Law, then what does he actually do with his time? Does he even work anymore? Is he a House Husband? He posts. Never not post.
Thomas Orca Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension 67	Posted - 2012.04.16 01:02:00 - [13] - Quote DeMichael Crimson wrote: Not only does it violate the EULA / TOS rules, it betrays the position of the CSM, is morally offensive and libel for criminal prosecution. Last I checked, there are far more morally offensive things on the internet than "kill yourself". Not only do these things exist, but I am rather sure people make large sums of money off these morally offensive things. Are you sure you get the internet?
Thomas Orca Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension 67	Posted - 2012.04.19 15:11:00 - [14] - Quote Richard Desturned wrote: i'm glad that the npc forum alts are here to set the record on what they consider a proper apology I'm glad they're here to misinterpret facts after over 250 pages of posts and a dev blog.
Thomas Orca Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension 69	Posted - 2012.04.20 00:19:00 - [15] - Quote Shea Valerien wrote: Federal Cyberstalking law is found at 47 USC s. 223. I skimmed through it. Didn't really apply to this situation in any way.
Thomas Orca Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension 70	Posted - 2012.04.20 00:33:00 - [16] - Quote Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote: Thomas Orca wrote: Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote: :words: All that text. Still didn't address the point that it was (presumably) an ocean away and used no technology. sooooo it WASNT broadcast on the internet, and the people he planned to use to get that person to commit suicide WERENT using computers (Some of which wouldnt then be "an ocean away"? Your argument would be valid were he sitting in a field talking to people not on computers, not streaming across the internet (KNOWING ios being streamed) You know, Mittens is responsible for the action of every goon. Because people don't have free will and stuff. This quote is pretty relevant Quote: Remedial > I mean, I just love having a GM tell me to stop 2500 different players from performing an action Also, giving a drunken Mittens too much credit thinking he planned anything.
Thomas Orca Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension 70	Posted - 2012.04.20 00:52:00 - [17] - Quote Kengutsi Akira wrote: Thomas Orca wrote: You know, Mittens is responsible for the action of every goon. Because people don't have free will and stuff. so someone convinces other people they want to do something thats bad its no longer the guy that started it's fault? He's absolved of starting the chain of events? Makes me think of Charles Manson though in a much muuuuuuch much much much less dire and important situation If it takes 1 sentence to convince you of anything, your brain must not be functioning. Manson used sex and drugs to control the members of his "family", hardly the same as some drunken douche bag going "lol dis guise name is da WIS, find him."
Thomas Orca Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension 70	Posted - 2012.04.20 01:01:00 - [18] - Quote Kengutsi Akira wrote: The real question is how many mails etc did he get? Cause if it was none, yes, youre right, otherwise.... The answer to that question is both he and Mittens got far more attention than should have been given due to the ridiculous proportion this was blown to.
Thomas Orca Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension 70	Posted - 2012.04.20 01:26:00 - [19] - Quote Kengutsi Akira wrote: also true lol But also, as far as the free will thing goes (I just thought of it) theyre role playing right? And if he's their leader, and he's roleplaying as their leader giving orders (the RP excuse Ive heard a lot lately and for the first time since I started playing the game actually) that kinda gets rid of the free will thing too. Your a soldier following your leader's orders (Yes I get thats a stupid argument but RP is a stupid excuse here too) You're right, that is a stupid argument.
Thomas Orca Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension 70	Posted - 2012.04.20 01:47:00 - [20] - Quote MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote: MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote: Was he drunk when he prepared that presentation? Was he drunk when he came up with the idea to mock a player contemplating suicide during a live event and in front of an audience? Was he drunk when he savored and relished on the victim's email? Was he drunk when he decided to keep this email as a prize for his accomplishments? I would love to hear your input. http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28575 Read it. Learn where the line is.

Thomas Orca Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension 70	Posted - 2012.04.20 02:02:00 - [21] - Quote Lapine Davion wrote: Come on man, haven't you been reading these forums at all? Goons don't have any free will. The Mittani coerces their cooperation through terrorism and fear. My bad bro MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote: In other words, you rather create an imaginary fetch than answer these questions. I've read CCP's response on the matter (including that thread you linked above). And my questions are not directed at CCP. But I can see why you'd try and divert the issue. No, it's just the answer to your question is quite obvious and explained both in that dev blog, and this thread many times.
Thomas Orca Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension 70	Posted - 2012.04.20 02:17:00 - [22] - Quote Lapine Davion wrote: Well, considering his apology was all about the drunken joke made during the Q&A, and not his presentation, which deserves it's own apology for being terribly presented, yeah, you're irrelevant. Honestly, the presentation could have been much funnier if presented by Michael Bolton 3. Why do you guys let him keep doing it? Every time has been terrible.
Thomas Orca Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension 70	Posted - 2012.04.20 02:21:00 - [23] - Quote Lapine Davion wrote: We thought we would have gotten better after the first time. You're at fault too, you know, being "goon pets" and all. Oh god, an FA presentation would be even worse. "We were then told Fade would be our new home, so we went and sperged the **** out and preceded to grind an entire region with Stealth Bombers"